As we prepare to make the repos for the new forks of Elasticsearch and Kibana available, we are seeking feedback on the initial principles of the project. Please let us know what you think and if there is an additional principle you’d like to see. When we are successful, the to-be-named project wil…

I hear you. No one wants history to repeat itself. Does point 3 and 6 cover your concern? If not, how would you articulate this in a format like the principles above?

Those are not reassuring me that this will not be an Amazon-led project, which Amazon could shift as needed depending on the business goals. I understand point 3 helping to alleviate that, but I would be concerned that one or two companies could control the decision making which would be unfortunate…

Same thoughts here. What sort of timeline have you discussed internally for donation to ASF, CNCF, or some other org? We can all understand you cannot commit to a specific date, but I imagine you can give us a sense. Is it 3 months from now? 6? 12? 2 years? Or maybe you’ve come up with a clear l…

@otisg @jkowall Hey folks, Totally hear you and understand governance is a top concern and the fear about “history repeating itself” is valid. We want to address these concerns or they could stymie the success and widespread adoption of the project. If we can separate these concerns from the princ…

[image] carlmead: I propose we start a separate thread on what folks want to see and accomplish (and avoid) with governance. +10 for doing this right away and making everything very explicit and transparent. Some of us will, I am sure, repeat what we touched on in other messages, but yes, a …

Thanks for starting the thread @dawnfoster !

@searchymcsearchface - during the community webinar yesterday, you mentioned that the principles discussion had been sidetracked by governance discussions. I think this is because some of those principles are hard to interpret in absence of governance, especially when they use the word “we” in the c…

Thanks, Dawn! 100% agree with these comments. The “community” so far is AWS and people who decided to follow their lead. AWS must change the discussion in the community and have shared ownership. Launching this project without clarifying the governance is a problem. I’ve been pushing for shared do…

Hey Dawn Thanks for surfacing this. I do see the principles and governance to be separate things - when I said sidetracked it wasn’t to lessen any discussion of the governance, just two things being perhaps parallel. On “we”… You wouldn’t believe how much the team agonized on this particular word.…

Guiding principles for the forks of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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In an effort to help separate the governance topic from the principles, I dropped a few thoughts into a new thread about governance.

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Governance for the Forks OpenDistro security-issue	38	5449	April 21, 2021
Proposal: Contributor ladder - aka How can someone become a maintainer? OpenDistro discuss	49	3345	March 29, 2022
Recent Elastic.co licensing change announcment General Feedback	62	8934	January 25, 2021
[Meta] 'Community' Survey OpenDistro	18	775	April 28, 2021
Feb 5 Fork Update OpenDistro	10	2661	February 11, 2021

Guiding principles for the forks of Elasticsearch and Kibana

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